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Old 10-18-2007, 02:59 AM   #1
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Default Ultra Palmolive Oxy Plus w/Bleach Alternative

I've started to use this to clean/sanitize a lot of my equipment. It's really seems to work great and it's phosphate free!

I'm sure Colgate doesn't need me pushing their products for them but I really think other brewers might like it!



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Old 10-18-2007, 04:10 AM   #2
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I got palmolive on my lips once.... it wouldn't come out... kinda like how you can get it on your hands, wash your hands, and it like starts to "seep" out of your hands....



oh, nasty...



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That said, I have no experience with the product you show in the pic, I just have a prejudice against palmolive.



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Old 10-18-2007, 12:22 PM   #3
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I have that very bottle on my sink! Don't use it....the surfactants are not designed to rinse clean. It's meant to clean,soak, then go to the dishwasher. You're gonna get soapy/bleachy flavors...I'd just stick with what's proven.....oxyclean/pbw/starsan.

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What gave you the idea that dish soap was an adequate sanitizer?? I can see using it for cleaning, but certainly not sanitizing...

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I have that very bottle on my sink! Don't use it....the surfactants are not designed to rinse clean. It's meant to clean,soak, then go to the dishwasher. You're gonna get soapy/bleachy flavors...I'd just stick with what's proven.....oxyclean/pbw/starsan.
How do you know the surfactants, if any, are not designed to rinse clean? I hand wash a lot of my equipment and this product has been working very well for me.

I still use other products like PBW and 1Step.
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What gave you the idea that dish soap was an adequate sanitizer?? I can see using it for cleaning, but certainly not sanitizing...
I didn't mean to say it is a complete sanitizer, but if it has a bleach type alternative one would imagine it has decent sanitizing properties.

Colgate is mailing me the ingredients used in this product so we'll all find out. I'll post it as soon as I get it.
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I can't dispute the fact that you claim it works.

But...soap is a terrible sanitizer when it comes to beer equipment, especially dish soap. First, you have no idea what concentration is required to sanitize properly. Second, and more importantly, dish soap tends to be "clingy" (reference surfactants) and not rinse off well, potentially impacting your beer's flavor and head retention.

Many of us avoid using any soap products at all on our brew equipment, to include our beer glasses!

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I got palmolive on my lips once.... it wouldn't come out... kinda like how you can get it on your hands, wash your hands, and it like starts to "seep" out of your hands....oh, nasty......That said, I have no experience with the product you show in the pic, I just have a prejudice against palmolive.
So what's your prejudice against palmolive? Have you ever got sanstar, bleach or PBW on your lips?
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whether it sanitizes or not isn't the problem. Those kind of cleaners are meant to leave a film on what you're washing to keep it from spotting.

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...Second, and more importantly, dish soap tends to be "clingy" (reference surfactants) and not rinse off well, potentially impacting your beer's flavor and head retention...Many of us avoid using any soap products at all on our brew equipment, to include our beer glasses!
I've run into you guys/gals with grungy beer and wine glasses who believe cleaning with soap is the killer to head retention and can add off flavor.

I personally believe this is hogwash, especially when you're dealing with glass that's properly rinsed.

I have referenced surfactants and here is a fairly good chapter on cleaning agents:

http://www.beer-brewing.com/apex/brewery_cleaning_sanitation/cleaning_detergents.htm


I'll post the ingredients in this product as soon as I receive them.


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