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Fermenting: Red Herring Lager with wrong ingredients. Aging: Cabernet Sauvignon, Apfelwein, Peach wine (Curve'?) Bottled/Kegged: Mango wine, Cherry port, Shiraz wine, Ginger Peach ale, Consumed Brown Ale (Newcastle clone), Blue Moon (Belgian Wit) Thread, Cranberry ale, Corona clone. Steam Injected Mashing Thread 1 , Thread 2. Yeast storage by freezing. 8 brews thus far in 2007. ITS ABOUT THE BEER ! My brewing gallery. Good, free, open source brewing software, QBREW. Last edited by brewman !; 02-26-2007 at 12:03 AM. |
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Sounds really cool. Do you have to stir the mash? I was going to add HERMS on to my system, but this seems like it would be a lot simpler and better at raising mash temperature.
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"Do you have to stir ?"
Well, the steam bubbles the mash really nicely. The problem with my system is that most of the steam is releasing right at the beginning of the braid. So that area heats up and mixes nicely and the rest of the mash stays the same. So I have to mix it while adding heat. Now nothing would stop you from using a different braid setup or using a steam only manifold to get a better steam distribution. If you had a second steam only manifold, you could run a circulation pump to circulate the wort while heating and that would probably even things out pretty well. Keep in mind that I only stirred while heating and once in a while when I checked the temp. Its certainly not a continuous thing. I highly recommend using a cooler over a SS vessel and I recommend steam over RIMs or HERMs. My last system was HERMs. See my post on building a corny steam boiler. I'll be using that on my full sized brew stand. I didn't mention it, but I am very impressed with how little heat loss there is from the pressure cooker. Its got thick walls and once it gets up to temp it stays there with very little heat added. And when you turn the steam on, my special high temp hose is a good insulator and not a lot of heat is lost. The steam is still vapor when it enters the cooler, thats for sure. I was worried it was going to condense in the hose and I'd be injecting hot water, but that isn't the case. It really works well. BTW: for people doing small batches, you don't need anywhere near the size of pressure cooker I am using. A small one will work well. I might buy a small one just for this purpose. We already owned our pressure cooker so I just used it. I am only putting a few quarts of water in it when I use it, just enough to cover the bottom well.
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Fermenting: Red Herring Lager with wrong ingredients. Aging: Cabernet Sauvignon, Apfelwein, Peach wine (Curve'?) Bottled/Kegged: Mango wine, Cherry port, Shiraz wine, Ginger Peach ale, Consumed Brown Ale (Newcastle clone), Blue Moon (Belgian Wit) Thread, Cranberry ale, Corona clone. Steam Injected Mashing Thread 1 , Thread 2. Yeast storage by freezing. 8 brews thus far in 2007. ITS ABOUT THE BEER ! My brewing gallery. Good, free, open source brewing software, QBREW. Last edited by brewman !; 02-25-2007 at 07:28 PM. |
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Hey Brewman -- this is REALLY cool. Glad to hear you got everything working.
I am curious -- do you think one could build a copper manifold (say using 3/8 or 1/2 inch copper pipe) to use in place of a SS braid, but on the inside of the pipes add a small copper steam manifold? That would ROCK. Based on your comments about not needing a big pressure cooker, do you think one could use one the size you have for bigger batches (say 5 - 10 gallon)? I saw your cornie-keg conversion for steam mashing, but not all of us have your engineering skill to build something like that (especially to drill SS). It would be nice if one could use your simpler PC setup for larger batches. One more question -- did you detect any effect of the heat on your cooler? Any warping or such? Again, very neat. I am very intrigued by this system. Thanks for posting! |
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If I was going to play with this, I would get my pressure cooker, bring it up to 15 PSI and then pull the weight off and watch the steam blow down. Its quite a sight and it isn't dangerous like it sounds. Then you get some idea for what the steam flow looks like. Its kind of like a small air tank blowing down, only its steam, not air. Quote:
See my original post on this topic here. Steam Injected Mash System The calcs for a 5 gallon corny are in that thread and they apply to a 22Q (5.5 gallon) pressure cooker just as much. One can store a lot of energy in 5.5 gallons of superheated water at 15PSI. I like the corny keg because I want my steam generation to run automatically under microcontroller control, so the 4.5KW electric element works pretty good for that. But the pressure cooker I have is rated for the same pressure (15PSI) and slightly more superheated water volume (22Q versus 20Q) so it will work just as well. The reason I don't use the corny for kitchen brewing is that it needs 220V and requires at least 15L of water to cover the element. By comparison, I only put 4Q of water in the pressure cooker for small batches. The thing I love about steam is that it lets kitchen brewers do complex mash schedules without resorting to infusions or RIMS systems. During mashing I have 2 vessels on my stove. The HLT and the pressure cooker. Really simple. Quote:
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Fermenting: Red Herring Lager with wrong ingredients. Aging: Cabernet Sauvignon, Apfelwein, Peach wine (Curve'?) Bottled/Kegged: Mango wine, Cherry port, Shiraz wine, Ginger Peach ale, Consumed Brown Ale (Newcastle clone), Blue Moon (Belgian Wit) Thread, Cranberry ale, Corona clone. Steam Injected Mashing Thread 1 , Thread 2. Yeast storage by freezing. 8 brews thus far in 2007. ITS ABOUT THE BEER ! My brewing gallery. Good, free, open source brewing software, QBREW. Last edited by brewman !; 02-26-2007 at 12:24 AM. |
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For anyone following this thread, I brewed my 3rd brew last night with the steam heated mash vessel. Again it worked very well.
Coolers make excellent mash vessels because they hold the heat so well. And steam injection with a pressure cooker works excellent for heating the mash. I keep my pressure cooker heated up for the whole mash session. They have thick walls and hold the heat well. When I am not injecting, I kept the stove at a little less than medium and that was more than enough to keep the pressure up. A few minutes before I needed heat I put it on high so the steam pressues was bouncing the weight when I started injecting. Then I just opened the valve. Now that I have some experience with it, I was opening the valve way further than before when injecting steam. One can heat a mash from 122F to 154F in just a couple minutes, easily. The only thing I don't like about steam heating is that the heat release is pretty local and you have to stir the mash to even it out. The steam itself releases in bubbles and heats an area about 4 inches in diameter and 6 inches deep. Thats about half my cooler. If I didn't stir it, the mash temp in that area would get to 180F pretty quick. With some stirring the temps even out quite nicely. I haven't attempted to build a steam distribution manifold. If one ever got something like that to work, mash steam heating would be perfect. Its surprising the volume of steam one gets. Its like opening the valve on a small air compressor tank. The flow rate is pretty healthy.
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Fermenting: Red Herring Lager with wrong ingredients. Aging: Cabernet Sauvignon, Apfelwein, Peach wine (Curve'?) Bottled/Kegged: Mango wine, Cherry port, Shiraz wine, Ginger Peach ale, Consumed Brown Ale (Newcastle clone), Blue Moon (Belgian Wit) Thread, Cranberry ale, Corona clone. Steam Injected Mashing Thread 1 , Thread 2. Yeast storage by freezing. 8 brews thus far in 2007. ITS ABOUT THE BEER ! My brewing gallery. Good, free, open source brewing software, QBREW. |
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You might try using a tee fitting at the outlet of the cooler so you could insert a 1/4" copper tube drilled with 1/16" holes to distrubute the steam full length of the braid. This should help with the rumble and local overheating that you experience now.
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I'll probably put a dedicated steam manifold into my mash vessel. I'll play around with hole sizes and such and report back when I do.
Its no big deal like this, one just has to stir the mash. Don't lose sight of the advantages, like zero chance of scorching anything, very quick heat ups, simplicity, minimal wort movement, etc. It really works well.
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Fermenting: Red Herring Lager with wrong ingredients. Aging: Cabernet Sauvignon, Apfelwein, Peach wine (Curve'?) Bottled/Kegged: Mango wine, Cherry port, Shiraz wine, Ginger Peach ale, Consumed Brown Ale (Newcastle clone), Blue Moon (Belgian Wit) Thread, Cranberry ale, Corona clone. Steam Injected Mashing Thread 1 , Thread 2. Yeast storage by freezing. 8 brews thus far in 2007. ITS ABOUT THE BEER ! My brewing gallery. Good, free, open source brewing software, QBREW. |
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When you put the manifold in the mashtun would you try heating the strike water from cold to strike temp and post the results. Steam might be the answer to heating water in plastic coolers instead of keggles for strike and sparge water, as coolers are insulated.
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How about this for an idea.
Using a steam lance/wand/paddle to apply the heat and you can manually move it around the cooler and mix at the same time. |
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