Spike Brewing 12.5 Conical Fermenter Giveaway - Enter Now!

Home Brew Forums > Home Brewing Beer > Equipment/Sanitation > Size, Type of Copper for Homemade IC

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 05-04-2012, 06:04 PM   #1
Lennie
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Hannibal, MO
Posts: 555
Liked 10 Times on 10 Posts
Likes Given: 1

Default Size, Type of Copper for Homemade IC

I'm building another homemade IC. My first one is fine for small batches but I have a 20gal kettle now and want something that will chill this down in 20min. I know my choices and have chosen an IC with whirlpool.

My choices for tubing thickness are K,L, and refrigeration. I believe those are in order of wall thickness, K being thickest. Then there's whether to use 3/8" OD or 1/2" OD. And finally, I can get lengths of 20' or 60' in the K or L, and 50' for the refrigeration tubing.

So what would you recommend? The refrigeration tubing is lightest and therefore cheapest. But if theres a good reason to use something else I'm all ears.

__________________
Lennie is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 05-04-2012, 06:18 PM   #2
JJL
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: , WI
Posts: 1,279
Liked 30 Times on 23 Posts
Likes Given: 2

Default

The thinner and smaller the tubing, the easier it's going to be to bend without kinking. However, the bigger the OD, the more surface area, and the faster the chill. Most IC's are 3/8" at either 25' or 50'. Also, the longer the tube, the more surface area, but you don't want to make the coils too tall or too wide to fit in your kettle. Any surface that isn't touching your wort is just wasted tubing.

__________________
JJL is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 05-04-2012, 07:14 PM   #3
josiahcox
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Bellingham
Posts: 165
Liked 2 Times on 2 Posts

Default

50 ft of 1/2 refer bought in a coil......Here this will be way easier.


Go to that link. It's Bobby M's IC build video and it is perfect and gives you all the specs. Double check all of your fitting before leaving the hardware store!
I just built one to his specs and it ran around $130 BUT..... I just had mine cool a batch using ground water in under 10 minutes. It's a beast and was very easy to build using this vid.
__________________
josiahcox is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 05-04-2012, 08:30 PM   #4
tre9er
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Lincoln, NE
Posts: 4,372
Liked 232 Times on 196 Posts
Likes Given: 35

Default

I used refrig. coil. Very soft, cheap, and 50' chills 5.5g. of wort in about 10minutes. Cost me about $50 for everything.

__________________

_________________________________
Skal!
Den Faaborg Bryggeri

Quote:
Originally Posted by davekippen View Post
Open log Fermenting and gas-can secondary?? I am planning my next brew right now!!
tre9er is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 05-04-2012, 09:03 PM   #5
mpcluever
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: here
Posts: 602
Liked 33 Times on 29 Posts
Likes Given: 47

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JJL View Post
However, the bigger the OD, the more surface area, and the faster the chill
The bigger the diameter of the tubing, the less surface area per volume of water going through it meaning less efficient. 3/8" or 1/2" should be fine, but bigger is not better. If bigger diameter was better 3' of 6" diameter pipe would be the best chiller out there.
__________________
mpcluever is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 05-04-2012, 09:22 PM   #6
Lennie
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Hannibal, MO
Posts: 555
Liked 10 Times on 10 Posts
Likes Given: 1

Default

Thanks for the input. Glad to see the cheaper frig tubing is stiff enough to last in this application. Thanks for the link to the tutorial, quite informative. The elbow at the bottom really makes it nice and tight. I was thinking the 3/8" ID/1/2" OD option would be best, I was tempted to buy the 1/4" ID/3/8" OD but the elbows are really expensive and my thought was that the larger diameter tubing gives more surface area and I can adjust flow to make it efficient as far as water usage. Theres quite a bit more copper surface in 50' of the 1/2" OD.

To tell you the truth I bought 50' of 1/2" OD fridge tubing this morning, plus a couple of elbows. I need one more elbow and I'm good to go. I'm supposed to be getting the 20gal pot today so I'll decide what diameter to use once I see it. I think its about 20" diameter so I'll make the coil to something like 18", leaving an inch on the outside all the way around. With a whirlpool I'm hoping this will let the cone form inside the coil so I can pull out the IC and not have to whirlpool too much longer.

Thanks again for the input, this place rocks.

__________________
Lennie is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 05-05-2012, 02:33 AM   #7
VladOfTrub
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: , Pa
Posts: 559
Liked 96 Times on 71 Posts
Likes Given: 129

Default

"The bigger the diameter of the tubing, the less surface area per volume of water going through it meaning less efficient. 3/8" or 1/2" should be fine, but bigger is not better"......GPM (volume) X Temp. Diff. X 500 = BTU/Hr. A BTU is one pound of water raised or lowered one degree until the occurrence of change of state. A 1/2" tube carries more volume and has less pressure drop than a 3/8" tube. From the mathematics, your reasoning is unfounded.

__________________
VladOfTrub is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 05-05-2012, 02:38 AM   #8
Lennie
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Hannibal, MO
Posts: 555
Liked 10 Times on 10 Posts
Likes Given: 1

Default

How does pressure drop come into play? I did think about the possibility of using my March pump to recirc ice water, and wondered if it'd push through 50' of 1/4"ID. I think it would have.

__________________
Lennie is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 05-05-2012, 11:52 PM   #9
Lennie
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Hannibal, MO
Posts: 555
Liked 10 Times on 10 Posts
Likes Given: 1

Default

Put together a 50' IC this morning, tested it out on 17gal of boiling water this afternoon. Got it down to 100F in 20min using tap water, good enough for my needs.

__________________
Lennie is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Reply


Quick Reply
Message:
Options
Thread Tools


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
What size/type of banjo burner do I need? 1stTimer Equipment/Sanitation 38 01-19-2012 02:23 PM
Opinions on turkey fryer type and size nasmeyer Equipment/Sanitation 1 12-02-2010 01:32 PM
Grommet infor requested - size/type/mfg ? (not reseller) Ace_in_NY Equipment/Sanitation 3 11-17-2010 02:01 AM
Type M Copper Tubing dgoldb1 Equipment/Sanitation 2 11-05-2010 05:22 PM
CFC copper tube size Dr_Deathweed Equipment/Sanitation 2 08-24-2007 11:48 AM