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Old 12-13-2012, 11:09 PM   #1
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Default Single tier - why not 2 burner

So I almost have SWMBO sold on a brew stand. I have always used a cooler and batch sparged. I was planning on continuing to batch sparge and watched some videos (via Bobby_M) on it with a single tier stand.

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Why does everyone get a 3 burner? I realize this has to be a dumb question...but I keep going over it in my head and it seems like the only reason to get a 3 burner is to fly sparge.

My plan is a direct fire single tier with a single pump to batch sparge. Use my BK as an HLT also (like I do now). If I wanted to do HERMS, I would need a second pump, but not a third burner.....Maybe fly is that much better....I dunno.

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Old 12-13-2012, 11:11 PM   #2
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So I almost have SWMBO sold on a brew stand. I have always used a cooler and batch sparged. I was planning on continuing to batch sparge and watched some videos (via Bobby_M) on it with a single tier stand.

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Why does everyone get a 3 burner? I realize this has to be a dumb question...but I keep going over it in my head and it seems like the only reason to get a 3 burner is to fly sparge.

My plan is a direct fire single tier with a single pump to batch sparge. Use my BK as an HLT also (like I do now). If I wanted to do HERMS, I would need a second pump, but not a third burner.....Maybe fly is that much better....I dunno.

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Well,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I've never seen a three burner. But I"m sure that's only there if the brewer wanted to direct fire the MLT. I'd much prefer HERMS or RIMS than direct fire but I guess that's a personal choice.
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Personally, i like to heat up my strike water in my MLT. No reason you can't heat it up in your HLT though and transfer. I imagine it would take a little longer before you can mash in.

I have RIMS and run that with my burner and my strike water is up to temp pretty quickly that way.

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Well,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I've never seen a three burner. But I"m sure that's only there if the brewer wanted to direct fire the MLT. I'd much prefer HERMS or RIMS than direct fire but I guess that's a personal choice.
Wait.......aren't all the single tier stands you've seen 3 burner?

brewsteel, abetterbrewstand......B3 stands....etc?
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Personally, i like to heat up my strike water in my MLT. No reason you can't heat it up in your HLT though and transfer. .
Yes, exactly....so again, 2 burner not 3 right? Why even have the place for the 3rd vessel on the stand? What's the 3rd vessel for?

MLT with strike water heated up in it. If you need a HLT, use the BK then when the HLT is empty, it turns into the BK.
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Old 12-13-2012, 11:30 PM   #6
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Are you happy with the temperature holding capabilities of your cooler? If so then you don't need a third burner, or a second pump (you said batch sparging)

If you wish you had better temp control during your mash than yes you would either need a third burner (direct fire) or a rims/herms setup.

You don't NEED a second pump if you are doing batch sparging even using herms/rims.

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Yes, 2 vessel systems can be run quite easily.

You mash with standard ratios, then mix all your sparge water (from the soon to be boil kettle) once mash is complete. At this point, you can transfer everything to the boil kettle.

I batch sparge and use RIMS with only 1 pump.

For a single tier stand, you would need a 2nd pump if you were fly sparging.

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It's all about options. I heat my strike water in my keggle mash tun. That way it's all Preheated. At the same time I am heating water in my hlt for herms. It would take twice as long if I had to heat all the water in the hlt and then transfer the strike to the mt. It also gives me the option to direct fire the mt if I want to step mash quicker than the Herms can go alone. Can you do all grain with only 2? Of course. But it's nice to have options.

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It's all about options. I heat my strike water in my keggle mash tun. That way it's all Preheated. At the same time I am heating water in my hlt for herms. It would take twice as long if I had to heat all the water in the hlt and then transfer the strike to the mt. It also gives me the option to direct fire the mt if I want to step mash quicker than the Herms can go alone. Can you do all grain with only 2? Of course. But it's nice to have options.
Even in this situation, can't you use one burner for the HERMS and one for the direct fire? The third would not be needed until boil began and in that case you wouldn't be using either burner anymore.
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Why even have the place for the 3rd vessel on the stand? What's the 3rd vessel for?

MLT with strike water heated up in it. If you need a HLT, use the BK then when the HLT is empty, it turns into the BK.
Having only two vessels eliminates any potential for fly sparging. It also means that you cant drain your mash tun before adding the sparge water on top of it (if your sparge water is coming from your BK. It always been my understanding that this will lead to a lower efficiency than draining the first runnings and the sparging.

If you do want to do a 2 kettle system you could always do a brutus 2.0
http://www.alenuts.com/Alenuts/brutus20.html
2 vessels, two burners, two pumps
This does have it own unique disadvantages!
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