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Old 02-28-2007, 04:13 AM   #1
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If I were to sanitize my chiller by baking it--what temperature would you do it at, and for how long?

The shirron instructions don't say much.



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Old 02-28-2007, 04:55 AM   #2
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I've done my therminator at 275 F. for 30 min. I'm sure not long enough, but that was a guess when I did it. I don't think there are any guide lines for baking a cold plate chiller. But I don't think you could overheat it unless you melted the copper that holds it together? Since I cooked it I've only used idophor on it, because I bought a Hop Stopper and I keeps out all most all of the foreign material that can plug up the chiller.



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Well, I know the copper wouldn't melt--it would take almost 2000°F to melt it. My main concern is how long and at what temp actually sanitizes it.

A thread on the greenboard got me thinking about this. I'm pretty confident that my chiller is clean--I am pretty anal about cleaning it and takign care of it. I use a hopstopper too, but I still have concerns about break material clogging it and that stuff harboring nasties inside those channels.

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Well, I know the copper wouldn't melt--it would take almost 2000°F to melt it. My main concern is how long and at what temp actually sanitizes it.

A thread on the greenboard got me thinking about this. I'm pretty confident that my chiller is clean--I am pretty anal about cleaning it and takign care of it. I use a hopstopper too, but I still have concerns about break material clogging it and that stuff harboring nasties inside those channels.

Why don't they make a plate chiller that you can take apart and clean? It only makes sense. Maybe with a blueprint of how it goes together to make sure people don't screw the placement of parts up. I just don't get it.


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Old 02-28-2007, 10:41 AM   #5
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Have you thought about boiling it? I have one and have been thinking the same thing. I usually run boiling water thru it then fill it with starsan before I brew haven't had any problems yet and I am using a false bottom with whole leaf hops..

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Old 02-28-2007, 11:37 AM   #6
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Have you thought about boiling it? I have one and have been thinking the same thing. I usually run boiling water thru it then fill it with starsan before I brew haven't had any problems yet and I am using a false bottom with whole leaf hops..
Boiling would sanitize it, yes. I think baking it would be easier--saves water and propane.

I found this info last night while I was bored at work. Good stuff here from our friend Palmer. The link will default to the Heat section, but the whole document has some great info. I printed it for my brew binder, and also saved the link.

http://realbeer.com/jjpalmer/cleaning.html#heat


Another thing I'm curious about...couldn't I essentially put the shirron in the oven at about 450° and just bake it for a while to make sure all the hops/break particles are cooked to ash, then run PBW through it to make sure it is flushed clean? Then I'd bake it again after a good rinse. That thread on the greenboard really got me thinking about this thing.
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Yes, why not it's not going to hurt it. By the article that you referanced to I sure did'nt heat it up for long enough, at the temp that I used it would take about 12 hours.

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I'm not sure and don't really know so ignore at will.

But if the plate is made up of more than one type of metal then the different expansion rates may cause distortion of the chiller.
Just a thought.

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I'm not sure and don't really know so ignore at will.

But if the plate is made up of more than one type of metal then the different expansion rates may cause distortion of the chiller.
Just a thought.
I doubt it...copper and stainless both melt at near or above 2000°F. I'd think even prolonged exposure at near 500° wouldn't harm it.

Don't know for sure though, I'm no expert.
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I'd say copper expands a lot quicker than stainless.

Just think about bimetal thermostatic devices.



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