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Old 09-08-2006, 09:12 PM   #11
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Thanks, Thirsty. I've been preachin your gospel for awhile now, but not many seem to listen or care. Plain and simple: getting a keg for deposit price from your local beer depot is theft, period.

Normally I'd post a link to the Green Bay Rackers homebrew club and their sankey keg sales, but apparently scrap price has gone so high that they can't get them anymore; breweries send their busted kegs to scrapyards instead of selling them to non-profit organizations.

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Old 09-08-2006, 09:39 PM   #12
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What if I purchase a keg of beer and keep the keg that way? Is that theft? To me its like buying a bottle of soda and having to return the empty... but who am I?

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Old 09-08-2006, 09:44 PM   #13
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Also if they really want to stop theives from stealing the kegs why don't they monitor scrap yards and fine them when found in thier heap?

If I pay $12 for a deposit - that is telling me that the keg is worth $12 no?

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Old 09-08-2006, 09:48 PM   #14
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Well, the cost of the beer doesn't include the keg - otherwise, you'd be paying $90 more. You're just borrowing it. If you read the article, you'll see that keg deposits are so low because they either small bar owners say they can't afford to put up a bigger deposit (depending on how many kegs you have on premises at a time, could be forcing you to tie up a lot of capital) - or some states restrict how much they can charge.

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Old 09-08-2006, 09:50 PM   #15
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Gotcha! Can they enforce a legally binding signature for return?

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Sure but they don't even need to do that. Most kegs are stamped with the owner's name and, if by chance they were able to track you down, all they'd have to do is point out that it is definately one of their kegs. Then it'd be on you to substantiate that you legally acquired the keg.


But whether it can be enforced is only a small part of the issue here. If there's no other reason than fear of procecution that keeps you from stealing then its just fear that makes you an 'honest man'.

An stand up guy doesn't steal because it's not right. He's not afraid of anything, he's just living right.

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I agree to your point. Honestly, this is the first I am hearing of this issue (as you can see from my ignorant posts). It makes sense. And I know , ignorance is no excuse but if I saw something in print on a keg in BIG letters like STOP RETURN PROPERTY warning I would never have asked for them in the first place.

I still have one that I did not cut into and will probably return it. Seems that people all over do not realize this consequence either - i.e. the beer store workers.

Education seems in order.

Thanks for the information.

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Old 09-08-2006, 11:02 PM   #18
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Also if they really want to stop theives from stealing the kegs why don't they monitor scrap yards and fine them when found in thier heap?

If I pay $12 for a deposit - that is telling me that the keg is worth $12 no?

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A reputable scrapyard will not accept kegs from just anyone. If they get a bunch of things like kegs, or copper pipe or wire that is in good shape they will raise a red flag and call the police. Note the key word here- reputable. There are still enough seedy ones out there that don't care and are really nothing more than a fence for stolen metal. But at least if you went to a scrapyard, there is at least a chance that it isn't hot, while if you get it from a beer depot, you KNOW it is.
Sabco would be the safest bet, but of course now you're paying more. You could try contacting a brewery directly, but I don't know what their reaction would be.
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Old 09-09-2006, 04:14 AM   #19
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One of the big problems is, that the deposit is 10.00 and the scrap value price is around 25.00! The scrap yards charge me around 40.00.

I am a good guy, but I am not going to pay a scrap yard 40.00 to get a 10..00 deposit back

The first keg I got was at a garage sale. The other four I got were imported beer kegs from the UK and stored up in a shed collectin dust!

From now I will try to save as many as I can! Once the yard knows you will buy them they will call you. Most of the kegs that they get are included in bulk purchases, where people are bringing in all kinds of stuff.

Here is another great link on keg conversion

http://texanbrew.com/article.php?sto...21110200202146

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I live in MA, and keg possession is tightly controlled. I went to a "packie" (MA-speak for liquor store) that I buy a lot of specialty brews and asked if they had any kegs for sale. They had one in front of me in 5 minutes. The guy I was dealing with was a co-owner (owner's son) and assured me that it was on the up and up. From time to time they come across ones that don't go back, and sometimes offer to buy the beat up ones from their distributor, for the express purpose of using them like HBers etc use them. As a rule, they do not just grab the ones on deposit, because as has been stated, they do not own them. I am waiting for another, and he is going to let me know when they get another. I paid $20 for mine FWIW...

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