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Old 08-17-2012, 12:29 AM   #21
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Default You will need a regulator if your house is a 2 pound system.

Generally you would not need a regulator because the regulator at the meter is set for 1/2 psig or less. Some newer construction uses a 2 psig system. In this case every appliance would need to be regulated.

You can tell if you have a 2 psig system because it is run with flexible and smaller pipe.

If you are in doubt, you need to find out.

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Generally you would not need a regulator because the regulator at the meter is set for 1/2 psig or less. Some newer construction uses a 2 psig system. In this case every appliance would need to be regulated.

You can tell if you have a 2 psig system because it is run with flexible and smaller pipe.

If you are in doubt, you need to find out.
My house is 26 years old, and all the natural gas line is the hard black pipe typical of natural gas line installations.
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If you do go all the way back to the 1" trunk, you will have to use unions because you can't thread a fitting into the middle of a run.

Also, you want to leave some backpressure on the trunk so i would reduce to 3/4 before a long run to your brew area.

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Also, you want to leave some backpressure on the trunk so i would reduce to 3/4 before a long run to your brew area.
Thats not how natural gas pipe is sized... Pipe is sized according to the load. There's no need to "backpressure" as the regulator ensures a constant 7" wc and will lockup and relieve excess pressure from the vent if pressure exceeds 7" wc when the attached appliances stop using gas.

Think of the pipe as a straw and your burners are sucking gas. If you reduce the pipe too much you will not allow the burners to get enough gas. This is why gas piping needs to be sized correctly.
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Agreed. I don't know what I'm talking about.

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Old 08-19-2012, 10:26 AM   #26
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My house is 26 years old, and all the natural gas line is the hard black pipe typical of natural gas line installations.
STOP. If you call it "hard black pipe", this may not be a job for you. IMHO
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Thats not how natural gas pipe is sized... Pipe is sized according to the load. There's no need to "backpressure" as the regulator ensures a constant 7" wc and will lockup and relieve excess pressure from the vent if pressure exceeds 7" wc when the attached appliances stop using gas.

Think of the pipe as a straw and your burners are sucking gas. If you reduce the pipe too much you will not allow the burners to get enough gas. This is why gas piping needs to be sized correctly.
Lets call this pressure drop, "use of BTU's" and the supply gas line needs to be able to feed NG to everything running without dropping pressure to anything. Think of it like a water hose with lots of sprinklers (burners) and everytime some water is used the pressure drops. Now in this case when the pressure drops on say the furnace, the flame could burn the house down. I'm not saying I know it all, and in other parts of the country it's different. But I was a pipe fitter for 13years and take great pride that I never killed anyone,, that I know of.
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STOP. If you call it "hard black pipe", this may not be a job for you. IMHO
I called it "hard black pipe" to differentiate from the above person asking if it was the flexible lightly colored lines found in newer houses. I've worked with this before, and never had any issues.

Considering it is black steel pipe, I don't see what the problem with calling it "hard black pipe" is?
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I didn't mean to offend. I am bad about typing things and getting my message across the way I intend. The heart of what I am saying is running pipe is not hard but the rules of working with natural gas are unforgiving. I am old school in all my piping, names and know how. We called it iron (black pipe), plastic, or copper. I have been out of the trade for a few years, things have changed.

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I didn't mean to offend. I am bad about typing things and getting my message across the way I intend. The heart of what I am saying is running pipe is not hard but the rules of working with natural gas are unforgiving. I am old school in all my piping, names and know how. We called it iron (black pipe), plastic, or copper. I have been out of the trade for a few years, things have changed.
No problem. I am VERY careful working with natural gas. Like I said, if I decide to set up a line in the basement, I may have a licensed plumber/HVAC guy run the line for me, rather than doing it myself. Just depends on how much it costs and if I decide I want to brew in my basement or not.

With planning on doing BIAB with a single keggle/burner, the existing line on my back deck will do for now, and if I get a burner that can run on either NG or propane, I can brew on the driveway/in the mouth of the garage if I want to as well.
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