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Old 02-06-2013, 01:23 AM   #21
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What size batches? For 10 gallon batches you should be fine with a normal 30amp dryer or oven outlet and wiring. Just have an electrician run it to your shed!
yeah 10 gal batches with 15gal kegs

So I don't have the electric needed for this in my shed...
I am also thinking more along the lines of half a$$ing it and doing the hose to shed method on brew day.

Just too much involved/work and permits needed for a hobby..
but with the hose I can still have a sink and all that just need to shut off and drain hose line after is all...
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Old 02-06-2013, 02:26 AM   #22
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yeah 10 gal batches with 15gal kegs

So I don't have the electric needed for this in my shed...
I am also thinking more along the lines of half a$$ing it and doing the hose to shed method on brew day.

Just too much involved/work and permits needed for a hobby..
but with the hose I can still have a sink and all that just need to shut off and drain hose line after is all...
Yes dragging the hose it is an easy alternative. Not having the electrical already running to your brew shed isn't a big game stopper IMO. How far is your shed from your house? You could do all the work yourself and have an electrician friend look it over and tie it into your breaker panel. Just a matter of digging a little trench to bury the cable and wiring up an outlet.
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Im in the process of building a shed for brewing. A very cold winter set in before i could finish. I did run electric, but not water. Its just way too cold here for permanent water to the shed. My plan for water is plumbing the brewing wall with 1/2" pex. I will have a laundry tub hooked up and hookups for my chiller and pot filler. The pex will terminate with a ball valve on the outside of the shed. From there it will be a matter of running my rv hose from the shed to the house on brewdays. When I am done, i can drain all the lines so no freezing.

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Yes dragging the hose it is an easy alternative. Not having the electrical already running to your brew shed isn't a big game stopper IMO. How far is your shed from your house? You could do all the work yourself and have an electrician friend look it over and tie it into your breaker panel. Just a matter of digging a little trench to bury the cable and wiring up an outlet.
it is about 30 yards from house but my electric panel is on the opposite side of my house.
I had mentioned earlier that I will be wiring the shed. I had thought about running a bigger wire to my garage and then using a 60amp panel in my garage and run wire to my shed.
But after talking to my electrician friend he think for saving me money we can just wire the shed to my garage, then if I want to upgrade in the future I could do the 60amp panel thing but it is costly.

So even though I will have a few plugs and lights in the shed I will not have a 30amp dryer type plug to run those big electric heaters..

So thinking about the gas burner way still, but am still in planning stages so anything can change.



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Im in the process of building a shed for brewing. A very cold winter set in before i could finish. I did run electric, but not water. Its just way too cold here for permanent water to the shed. My plan for water is plumbing the brewing wall with 1/2" pex. I will have a laundry tub hooked up and hookups for my chiller and pot filler. The pex will terminate with a ball valve on the outside of the shed. From there it will be a matter of running my rv hose from the shed to the house on brewdays. When I am done, i can drain all the lines so no freezing.
I have a laundry tub basin sink that was given to me I want to hook up now out in the shed.
I think we agree running the hose is a more cost effective way.
but you say use 1/2" pex in the brew wall?
what is that?

Also how will you drain all the lines so they do not freeze?
Even the hose after rolling it up?
just trying to figure out how this will all work..

ok so I have a hose coming to the shed./
how should it enter?
how should I pipe it to the sink?
I already have a plan for the sink drain. as long as it is at a slope all the water should drain out fine.


thanks!
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it is about 30 yards from house but my electric panel is on the opposite side of my house.
I had mentioned earlier that I will be wiring the shed. I had thought about running a bigger wire to my garage and then using a 60amp panel in my garage and run wire to my shed.
But after talking to my electrician friend he think for saving me money we can just wire the shed to my garage, then if I want to upgrade in the future I could do the 60amp panel thing but it is costly.

So even though I will have a few plugs and lights in the shed I will not have a 30amp dryer type plug to run those big electric heaters..

So thinking about the gas burner way still, but am still in planning stages so anything can change.

thanks!
If your running electrical to the shed anyway it's pretty simple. You'll just need to use heavier wire to the shed, a bigger breaker in your panel box, and a dryer/oven receptical.
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If your running electrical to the shed anyway it's pretty simple. You'll just need to use heavier wire to the shed, a bigger breaker in your panel box, and a dryer/oven receptical.
but I had planned to tap off the garage circuit, not run a wire all the way from my panel.
Since I had just planned on wiring stuff like, light, plug for fermenting chamber and electric for duct fan.


Well tax return came in today! whoo hoo! maybe if I can get permission (wife lol) I can re-wire my garage with a panel and then I can run the 30amp to shed....
will see.
I am going to have a busy summer!
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no go, have less money for project than expected.
going to cheap out and do a 3 tier setup for now.

couple of pictures and inside design of what I am thinking of doing to save money.
I don't have money for a metal frame, and I do not have money for any kind of pumps or temp controllers or regulators to make the other brew stand.
I do have enough wood around to make a 3 tier gravity setup.
SO this is kinda my plan.

turn this


into something like this.


I can pick up another turkey burner cheap and I have 2 other kegs to cut up.
I am thinking I can build a copper pipe fly sparge thing gravity fed.

Not sure about vent yet, still doing research on that.

I want it to be as functional as possible, I plan to have water ran to hot water tank just above it.
Also trap door to keep propane under it.
Little stair setup so I can mash and add water with ease.

I would love to have Stainless steel on the wall behund everything but not sure how much those thin sheets cost.


other side of shed I am still cleaning out but I will be removing that shelf and installing my countertop and sink in there.
And my fermenting fridge will go on the right side.

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Old 04-20-2013, 01:33 PM   #28
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I began reading this thread because my plan is to convert one of my old farmsteads outbuildings into a dedicated brewery. I have already learned a number of issues I need to consider. But that is not my point right now.

Rather,it is apparent that once you began researching, asking questions and redesigning preliminary plans your brewery is beginning to look way different than when you began the process. At the end of the day, you will have made good beer.

Some people look at this hobby for the end product. Good beer is always a grand goal. Others look at the hobby as a series of steps building to that grand goal.

Building a dedicated brewery has many, many steps to it. It could take years and years. And each step of the process is an important part of the overall hobby.

I am now entering the process of building my terminal brewery. A dedicated building with a 15 gallon capacity set up to allow me to brew safely into my 80's. I will continue to use the single tier gas fired brew stand for awhile. My intention is to eventually move to electric.

So rather than build too much indoor infrastructure for the gas system, I will burn outside and pump back into the shed housing my conical. But as I build I will plan for and add the necessary electrical wiring within the shed for the 220 side. I may not upgrade the line from the house to the shed until later, but the inside wiring will be arranged. I will probably wire for some electrical base heat. I also have a chimney for a wood fired stove. My consideration is, plan what you want and then use the hobby to get there even if it takes smaller steps over years. Part of the hobby can be the planning process as you already know. I do not like to buy things twice so that allows my hobby some additional planning and considerations. (I already have the pump and fixtures for a 15 gallon system that I acquired during earlier builds. I used a keggle for 5 gallon brews knowing one day I would want a ten gallon brewery.)

You are beginning an exciting project here. Take your time, plan it well and you actually can have the system you first described. But if that is where you want to go then plan your preliminary systems with that in mind.

Good luck, I look forward to watching your build.

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you know . the more I look at the shed and keep working stuff over in my head I am just not 100% sure on anything yet. I didn't take much consideration in the cooling the wort aspect with my above drawings. Well it was a late night (homebrew) drawing haha.
I cleaned the shed out some more today and I measured this piece of countertop I have and my basin sink and how wide my fridge is.
So going to be setting that side all up 1st anyway.
that will be the side I need to focus on a few things.
Making the base for the countertop to sit on, installing the sink.
The figure out how I am going to run pipes in and out of the sink.
Along with power to the fridge and lights and such.
If I had the money all this would be easier.
but it is a hobby and does not take priority.
I plan to do my next brew in it none the less I am sure it will be just as a pain as it is in my garage.
Having to lug water out and hoses around to cool stuff.

I am not sure if I will be using a plate chiller or a custom counterflow chiller.
either way I was hoping to minimize water usage and use a pump in the basin sink to pump water through the chiller with ice around it or something..

I am also thinking I want to insulate the walls and put some dry wall or wood up.

My parents are doing their kitchen over again so I am going to take their old purgo flooring boards and put that in the shed. that will be cool for free and look nice.

I also pretty much decided for the vent above the brew zone I want to make a custom range hood.
Giant one with 1 or 2 fans to exhaust out the back of the shed.
So research I have done shows me needing a drip edge all the way around so maybe I can have thos drain to one corner and then into a tube and out or something.
I want it to be open so I can put a ladder up and wipe and wash it clean periodicity.

I would also love to have Stainless steel behind the cook zone.

I think my prior picture was rushing much of this build.
(Because I want to get brewing again bad lol)
so I am going to continue to brew the way I do now and just keep thinking and building my shed up as I go.
It is gonna take some time and I gotta face that fact I cannot have it built to spec the way I want it ASAP because money is not available for the build ya know.

thanks for the motivation and insight.
I will post pics of the countertop once I get a chance to work on it.
Hopefully soon

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you know . the more I look at the shed and keep working stuff over in my head I am just not 100% sure on anything yet. I didn't take much consideration in the cooling the wort aspect with my above drawings. Well it was a late night (homebrew) drawing haha...
So take a deep breath, slow down and enjoy your hobby.

I assume you are making the beer right now you enjoy. Keep making it.

Allow the hobby to take you where it will. Planning is huge here.

IE, will you insulate the floor of your brew shed for winter? In Wisconsin that is my first consideration, but you live in a warm state. Put your resources where you need to with out overspending. Again, let the hobby take you.
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