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Old 01-24-2013, 04:08 PM   #311
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Like I said, I don't want to jump into the fray. You can read about it on the website:

http://greatbreweh.com/Beer_Pump.html

I have no dog in this fight. I wanted to report that I like the little pump. People can make their own decisions on what pump, if any, they want to use.

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Old 01-24-2013, 05:04 PM   #312
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Not looking for anything either just want people to be properly informed...isn't that the purpose of forums?.....You can't believe everyhting you read nad i believe in honesty with all customers

No ill intentions or upsells here ....

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Old 01-25-2013, 01:29 AM   #313
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http://tmpaint.en.alibaba.com/produc...int_color.html

not saying they use this but often times a quick internet search might be the best thing. Also are stir bars not magnetic also? where as I thank you chugger for your input it does seem like you wish to sway business in your direction. Why are your pumps so expensive?(relitave term I know) would it be possible for you to design a small low cost "safe" pump? I use these tiny pumps in my boat as well water circulators, mine are not coated they are just ebay cheap ones but same design. I was out fishing with these pumps running for hours when done I placed the old horseshoe magnet in the well at the dock, after 30 minutes I pulled it out of the water there was nothing on the magnent not even a smudge with a clean white rag......I suspect it will work just fine. Any way if you could address the possibility of a low cost food safe pump lets say in the 1-2 gpm range @$50-$60.
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Old 01-25-2013, 02:26 AM   #314
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Hello, I'm Joe@Sun-Pump.com. I've read through this thread & maybe have a few answers.
The magnets are supposed to be food safe, they were certified as such by an Australian testing lab. To what standards I have no idea. Keep in mind these pumps are manufactured in China, where adulterating infant formula with melamine is OK if it turns a better profit.
The fittings are brass and are 1/2 NPT.
As far as restricting the flow, a valve after the pump would be the preferred method. The pump is not self priming, it needs to be below the level of the liquid to fill. I test each pump before I shipping with a wall wart from an old electric razor. Just about any 1 amp wart will work, or you can buy 12V power supplies on ebay cheaply. The suppliers in Hong Kong ship very quickly if you find a cheap one there.
I don't have the stainless type fittings nor do I intend to due to the quantity required to purchase & the very limited demand. The price has recently gone up at the manufacturer's insistence so you won't find them for $60 any more.
Not soliciting sales, just some information. I know zero about brewing, pretty good at the drinking end of the process though.
Joe Hennessey Joe@sun-pump.com - if this is not permitted on your forum please delete.
Good info. I'll let it go, but Joe please contact our admin TxBrew if you want to further market your products to our homebrew community; you need a Vendor membership to do so. I'm not sure about the suitability for brewing; I'll let our ever-vigilant brewing community vet it out.
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Old 01-26-2013, 12:01 AM   #315
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Good info. I'll let it go, but Joe please contact our admin TxBrew if you want to further market your products to our homebrew community; you need a Vendor membership to do so. I'm not sure about the suitability for brewing;
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I'm not looking to market the pumps here, my target audience is solar water heating applications. The stainless fittings are not necessary for that purpose, and as there are brewer suppliers already selling them I'm not going to try to compete with them.

My website tells me where the hits come from and a few are from here, that's why I posted.

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Old 01-29-2013, 04:07 PM   #316
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Not looking for anything either just want people to be properly informed...isn't that the purpose of forums?.....You can't believe everyhting you read nad i believe in honesty with all customers

No ill intentions or upsells here ....
Just spreading a little FUD? I wonder what possible motives you could have for that.

As has been pointed out there are plenty of food safe magnets including the PTFE coated ones use to stir yeast cultures.
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Old 01-29-2013, 04:33 PM   #317
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Why would I have any fear? HBT is not an instrument for us to sell anything. It actually benefits the HBT member when we offer promotions. As for the yeast culture this may be true but in the pump world there are no Food Grade Magnets pumping fluids at 212F. 3600 rpm. They just don't exist..As always I would love to discuss further anytime
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Old 01-29-2013, 05:40 PM   #318
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There is a fairly simple answer to this 'debate'. What is the coating on the magnets? To date, not one of the manufacturers or retailers has been able or willing to answer this. GreatBrewEh didn't even answer my email when I asked. And when asked earlier on HBT they responded with a generic answer again. No details have been offered as to what the temperature limits of the coating are, what it's made of, etc. To further my concern, the 'FDA food rating' would only apply under certain temperatures and circumstances and those have not been disclosed either. For example, the March pump heads are rated FDA food compliant with the disclosure of "can handle liquids of 250F intermittently."

I'm not an employee of March or Chugger and have no vested interest in either operation, but I remain skeptical of these cheap little pumps in our application until someone can give me a full 'ingredient list'. March and Chugger both do so willingly, and if the pump is legit there is no reason someone shouldn't be able to do it for these as well.

And for the record, I've had great experiences with both March and Chugger. I have not used one of these, and will not do so until I know what my product will contact during brewing.

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Old 02-02-2013, 12:23 AM   #319
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I just got both of my new "little" pumps today, both run just fine and I will be placing them inservice this weekend. As for magnents and coatings and all this other stuff, I DONT CARE. I have done research and there are several high temp food safe/grade coatings out there. If I were a business selling to the public(which I am and do)I would not sell anything that would risk my economic future, I feel these guys are selling a quality product. It was as stated never ment for brewing but has been adopted for susc, much like water coolers which were also never ment for brewing, it is in a home brewers nature to be inovative and inventive in any way that can make things better and/or faster.

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Old 02-11-2013, 05:53 AM   #320
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They use the little pumps a lot in England and Australia and have been for quite awhile and I haven't heard of anyone getting sick, or complaints of bad tasting beer. What exactly is "food safe"? In brewing forums that term is like "healthy" and "low fat" elsewhere in discussions. Are the big name pumps we use for brewing made for home brewing? Not actually, they are adaptations of chemicals pumps hence why they can withstand high temp and being magnetically coupled keeps high temps and chemicals away from motor seals.
Many homes have galvanized water pipes but we won't use them in brewing. Most of frown on aluminum but go into any commercial kitchen and they are used for everything including acidic foods. Most brass contains some lead but we use it in home brewing without saying a word. PVC pipe has chemicals that can leach into water/beer at higher than rated temps but we use it in mash tun manifolds without a huge debate. The last time you ordered a beer did you ask if the tap and faucet shank were stainless or chrome plated brass? Our food comes in coated tin cans but God we won't use anything like that in brewing. There is silicone sealant that is "FDA approved" but don't think I'd put it on my breakfast cereal. How safe is styrofoam? We drink hot coffee out of cups made of it. It's a debate that will go on forever but is stupid if you ask me. How many home brewers use nothing but 304 or 316 stainless throughout the brewing process including hard piped with no hoses? Food safe means it won't make you sick under normal use and or contact plain and simple. Does it mean it won't add off flavors? Nope. Does it mean it won't cause cancer at some point, who knows. Only true pump that is truly food safe, high temp resistant is a lab style peristaltic pump. Wort never touches anything but inside the silicone or tygon hose.

March and Chugger pumps are great, I use one myself but they can be out of reach for some financially and if these 12V pumps work and don't affect the taste of your beer then why not? Just recirculating from drain to top of kettle then do you really need a $160 pump plus fittings? One thing these little 12V pumps do have over any other pump is they are actually quiet!!! I'm considering trying one just for that reason as I brew in an apartment and I'm sure my neighbors would appreciate a quieter wort recirculating pump during a 90 minute mash.

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