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Old 04-18-2010, 07:12 PM   #61
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^^ great! I'm thinking of using herms for mash recirculatin using electric HLT but propane for the boil...what do you think of this approach?

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electric herms is ideal. But why a propane boil?

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just not feeling the direct contact between wort and element...

what are your thoughts on an electric BK?

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Old 04-19-2010, 02:02 AM   #64
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just not feeling the direct contact between wort and element...

what are your thoughts on an electric BK?
Well, with electric you can mathematically determine your boil off rate, which is nice, you dont scorch the wort (this has been proven) and most electric BKs heat about 2X as fast as a gas BK.

Id go electric
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^^^ does make more sense...is there anyway to get this done without access to 220V?

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what are your thoughts on an electric BK?
I have very good feelings, of course, because this is what I do!

If you don't have 240, I'd do exactly what you are considering. Electric HERMs and propane boil. It seems odd, but you are going to have a lot of problems boiling 13 gallons with 110V. The HERMS will work fine at 110V, I'd guess.
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^^^ does make more sense...is there anyway to get this done without access to 220V?
How large are your target batch sizes?

Really, ideally, you would have a 240VAC outlet available. If you are looking at 10 gallon batches you want to have 4500W, this gets complicated if you are limited to a 120VAC circuit, you are looking at two to three elements on separate circuits...

There is no "simple" way to heat with electric though. You will need a large enough circuit (30-50A 240VAC). You will then need to route that to a box of some sort where you will have a couple SSRs, heatsinks and those will be controlled by a PWM or PID for the boil portion.

The creation of an electric supply for a kettle requires more doing than a simple gas burner, but in the end it is much more refined and precisely controlled, not to mention fast as all git out

I can build a box that houses all of the electrical controls for $200, then all you would have to do is plug that into a 240VAC outlet and plug the element into the box. Youd have to plug in two plugs, that is all.
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I'm really a noob at this but I've seen some rigs (diatonics http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f51/my-s...ew-rig-160432/) with a rather complete control panel...is there anyway this can be modded to result (convert) from 220 needs to 110 output? (im sure this sounds awefully dumb but I am null at electricity....)

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You can run any control panel you see here on HBT on 120VAC basically. All of the controllers are 120VAC anyway, that is just tapped off one hot of the two that come into the box anyway. The problem is you arent really going to boil on 120VAC

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Old 04-19-2010, 02:25 AM   #70
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hmmm...this seems to be getting much more complicated that I had thought...which only makes things more interesting! I'll check my folk's place see if i'd have access to 240V (no room in my apartment...) and I'll go from then on. If not I'll leave it to the hybrid option...

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