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Old 01-24-2013, 04:25 PM   #11
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Check this thread out for diameter discussion.

http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f11/grain-mill-roller-diameter-effect-297850/

there are lots of other threads! If you call Fred at Monster Mill he will usually chat with you about your brewing habits and help you decide which mill is better. For me I wanted a mill that would last a long time as I brew around 35-40 five gallon batches per year. Sure I could have gone with 1.5" rollers and been just fine for years to come. But I am sure I will step up to ten gallon batches in the near future. I figure the MM2 2.0 will cover all my needs in the future and not have to worry about the hundreds of lbs of grain going through it. This subject is highly subjective, many other mill owners will tell you they have hundreds of lbs through their 1.5" mills without issue.



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Old 01-24-2013, 05:12 PM   #12
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Check this thread out for diameter discussion.

http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f11/grain-mill-roller-diameter-effect-297850/

there are lots of other threads! If you call Fred at Monster Mill he will usually chat with you about your brewing habits and help you decide which mill is better. For me I wanted a mill that would last a long time as I brew around 35-40 five gallon batches per year. Sure I could have gone with 1.5" rollers and been just fine for years to come. But I am sure I will step up to ten gallon batches in the near future. I figure the MM2 2.0 will cover all my needs in the future and not have to worry about the hundreds of lbs of grain going through it. This subject is highly subjective, many other mill owners will tell you they have hundreds of lbs through their 1.5" mills without issue.
That thread basically says what I said in my previous post. It's also the mirrors most of what I've found in my searching. Bigger is better. The question is how much better? If you tell me that based on the quality of crush, I can only expect a maximum of 73% efficiency with a 1.5" roller vs. maximum 85% efficiency with a 2" roller vs. a 89% efficiency with a 3" roller, that's meaningful. I can do some cost to benefit calculations to figure out what's best for my situation. Or something like "with a 1.5" roller you can expect to crush 3500lbs of grain before the knurling will wear out. A 2" roller will last around 10000lbs.". That's also meaningful. If I only brew about (10) 5-gallon batches a year, the 1.5" roller would effectively last me a lifetime, so why pay for a 2"?

I can't find any objective measure to help steer people towards what best fits their needs.


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Old 01-24-2013, 05:48 PM   #13
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If I only brew about (10) 5-gallon batches a year, the 1.5" roller would effectively last me a lifetime, so why pay for a 2"?

I can't find any objective measure to help steer people towards what best fits their needs.
if that is all you are brewing I would get a corona mill. $30 and some tinkering and you will have a fine mill for your needs. No knurls to wear out, no bearings. I used a corona last year for 36 batches (5 gal), just had to be sure to use rice hulls as they tend to shred hulls when grinding.

In all my searching on mills I never found the objective data you were talking about. So many variables in crush quality and efficiency, and I have not seen experiments across brands with a control to measure against. IMO: Monster/Crankandstein/Rebel mills all are very similar at 1.5" rollers.
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Old 01-24-2013, 06:57 PM   #14
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I have the AHB Cereal Killer. So far, its been a good mill. Takes me about 10 minutes to weigh and mill all of my grain. Only (small) complaints are that, the "7lb hopper" is really only about a 6lb hopper, and I can already see some wear on the rollers after running about 100lbs of grain through. I actually though about taking a picture of the rollers and posting it on HBT to see if anyone thought it was a worry.

If you've somehow found a complete MM2 for $117, I would go for it.
Complete? Nope. $117 for just the barebones piece. Contacted Fred who makes them, and he recommend I upgrade to stainless rollers if i want to store outdoors, even in a bucket with dessicant material. So, looks like the MM2-2.0 is out of the question because the stainless upgrade is +$80.

So, now I'm at:

Monster MM2 Stainless $157, or
Crankandstein 2D Stainless $174

JSP Malt Mills doesn't seem to be selling stainless rollers. That's a shame because his 10" long rollers beat out both of the two above (6" and 5" long, respectively).

Right now the MM2 is in the lead. If I have the remote inkling that maybe, perhaps, who knows, some day I maybe just might motorize it, should I go with the 1/2" shank upgrade for pulley compatability?
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I'm curious where you're finding the JSP for $85.

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Complete? Nope. $117 for just the barebones piece. Contacted Fred who makes them, and he recommend I upgrade to stainless rollers if i want to store outdoors, even in a bucket with dessicant material. So, looks like the MM2-2.0 is out of the question because the stainless upgrade is +$80.

So, now I'm at:

Monster MM2 Stainless $157, or
Crankandstein 2D Stainless $174

JSP Malt Mills doesn't seem to be selling stainless rollers. That's a shame because his 10" long rollers beat out both of the two above (6" and 5" long, respectively).

Right now the MM2 is in the lead. If I have the remote inkling that maybe, perhaps, who knows, some day I maybe just might motorize it, should I go with the 1/2" shank upgrade for pulley compatability?
Very happy Monster MM2 owner here. Yes, definite get the 1/2" drive shaft/shank! The 1/2" shaft is better in that it's larger, and less likely to bend if the mill got knocked over (or drill weight pulls it over) or sheared off (maybe not likely) if you hit a rock in your grains. So, If your drill has a 1/2" chuck, I highly recommend it.

PS. the optional Base & Hopper is very nice! Well, specifically the hopper and it holds 11 lbs grains, extra extension ($) takes it up to 38 or so!

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I think the trouble is most people only buy one mill, and of the options you've listed, they're all good. So almost everyone is happy with their purchase, and side-by-side comparisons are rare.

I'm in your same boat...I want a mill, but can't decide. Parting with that much cash for an optional piece of equipment is tough.

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i think the trouble is most people only buy one mill, and of the options you've listed, they're all good. So almost everyone is happy with their purchase, and side-by-side comparisons are rare.
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I have run about 200# of grain through my AIH Cereal Killer in the last year. I have it adjusted so I get 80% eff. and I couldn't be happier with it. I'm sure any of the mills you are looking at will be fine. It's more of a price point issue for most of us IMO.



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