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Old 07-01-2009, 03:22 PM   #1
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If you were installing a water faucet in your garage brewspace, would you plumb for both hot and cold water?

My plumber suggested both. and then wye'ing the toghether ahead of the faucet. I am not exactly certain how he intends to do this (valving in line or just a straight shot with a risk of backflow).

I have looked for that end of line faucet valve with the hot and cold sides but haven't found it.

My hot water is in the 150*F to 170*F range and my cold is usually between 55*F and 65* so at 1:1 I'd still be around 100*F and my filter is not rated for that so, I'd need to have the choice.

Would having a hot water source at the brewery be worth it?

I am thinking it might be to reduce heating times and aid in cleaning but, I thought I'd like to hear what everyone else thinks.

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Why can't you just hook it like a normal faucet? Or have a hot faucet and a cold faucet? (150-170 F is very hot, BTW). Running hot now would give a little future proof if the incremental cost isn't an issue.

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It's a no brainer, definitely run both. I didn't because at the time, I was just running cold water out there for a hose bib for washing the cars. Now that I'm brewing, I really need to get that hot water run also.

How about a slop sink faucet?


I was planning on just using a ball valve on both lines just before hitting a TEE with the garden hose male after that.

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Why can't you just hook it like a normal faucet? Or have a hot faucet and a cold faucet? (150-170 F is very hot, BTW). Running hot now would give a little future proof if the incremental cost isn't an issue.
Not sure I follow the initial question. This will be connected to a typical outdoor hose faucet only, in the garage and not to a utility sink. Sure, there is a risk for a leak which is why it will be installed in the equipment closet with planty of access through/under a door.

150-170 too hot for ya'. Meh. The heater is efficient.

I agree with the point of "future proofed" but, I guess I am debating whether or not it's even necessary or just a potential maintenance issue. Of course, I know that I am the only one who can answer that question for myself....

Just curious what everyone else would do.
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I'm a little foggy on the objective here. Why plumb for both and then terminate with them "wye'd" together? Is this an attached garage or what? You may want to install a separate water heater in the garage if that's feasible. With an attached garage, it would be a slam dunk to run both lines and use some kind of a mixing faucet or individual hose bibs. Wow...150 F - 170 F is really hot! I have my water heater set fairly high, but it's nowhere near that temp.

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It's a no brainer, definitely run both. I didn't because at the time, I was just running cold water out there for a hose bib for washing the cars. Now that I'm brewing, I really need to get that hot water run also.

How about a slop sink faucet?


I was planning on just using a ball valve on both lines just before hitting a TEE with the garden hose male after that.
Yeah. That'd be cool. I had even considered one of those wall mounted utility (mop sink) faucets but, I think he just plans to use what's on the truck tho'. He's throwing this in as part of another install. Which is why I am even considering not running the hot side at all but, like you, I do see some merit in having it.

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I'm a little foggy on the objective here. Why plumb for both and then terminate with them "wye'd" together?
I think his thoughts here are that the water would be neither hot nor cold but, warm. Plus, this way it would minimize the connections and hardware involved. But, I'd worry more about cold water backflow into the hot line and my tank getting tempered thus running more often to combat.

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Is this an attached garage or what?
Yes. Attached. 2 car with the heater closet in the garage and the access door facing forward. Yes. It is a slam dunk, so to speak, as far as access. But I was questioning need more than anything.


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Wow...150 F - 170 F is really hot! I have my water heater set fairly high, but it's nowhere near that temp.
Wow....I don't get why this is so surprising. I have tried running our 3 baths at 120*F and we just used more water faster. And drained the tank more often. It's a good, efficient tank and only runs once or twice a day to maintain the heat unless we drain it for whatever reason. I find that by having the set-point higher we use less water in the blend and my energy bills are lower. Plus, at the higher temp the hot water tempers the pipes quicker and we get hot water at the back of the house much quicker. And, we can get a tub filled and take a shower without running out of hot water. At 120*F, not a chance!
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Actually, I don't know what my hot water temp is set at, but it's pretty hot. I keep it hot for precisely the same reasons that you do. It's well documented that we are using more energy doing this, but I'm willing to pay the difference. I'm guessing that I'm around 140 F. I absolutely hate running out of hot water no matter what I'm doing at the time.

Mixing the hot/cold at the point of use seems odd to me. The solution is to simply terminate each line with it's own valve, but do run both lines out to the garage. You can always easily reconfigure everything later on if desired.

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Would having a hot water source at the brewery be worth it?
Yes, I find hot water in the brewery extremely useful, as is a deep utility sink. Hot water makes cleanup easier. Also, with a new heater and very soft water, I can speed up my brewing process by using hot water. I've got my heater set to deliver 106F showers, but I've got a 50 gallon heater and live alone. Since the deep sink is right next to the heater, the water there is a bit hotter.
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Anyone got a link for that hot/cold outdoor mixing faucet?

My search mojo is limp today.

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