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Old 07-16-2014, 05:26 PM   #31
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So much for the assumption that all peroxygen based cleaners are equal. It's more likely a, you get what you pay for, situation.

This is an important finding, as it reduces the SUN peroxygen component to a much lower value with a definite impact on meeting the stated specifications. Based on the linked test results, Oxiclean may be a better option, although the report states that the now available "Versatile" product has a different formulation. I took a look at the seventh generation MSDS and it has very wide ranging percentages on its ingredients. Do you have a source for any more accurate values?
So, this sounds substantial. Does this mean that it would be better to have a higher ratio of the SunOxy in the recipe, or that it would be better to just spend the extra bucks on the Oxyclean Free and use it at the current formula ratio? Luckily, the OXY is the only ingredient I haven't purchased yet.
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Old 07-18-2014, 04:41 AM   #32
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It's worth noting, that even in the paper, it discusses the form of OxyClean they are using. Apparently the Oxy in the paper is NOT the oxy we have available in the USA for general sale. The version now available is significantly different (reduced) strength, it seems.

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1. The OxiClean that was used in this experiment is known
as OxiClean Multi-Purpose Stain Remover (the original formula)
and is no longer sold in stores. The OxiClean Multi-Purpose Stain
Remover can still be purchased from the company's Web site, http:/
/www.OxiClean.com (accessed Feb 2005). In 2004 Orange Glo In-
ternational launched production of OxiClean known as OxiClean
Versatile Stain Remover that contains silicates, detergent, and a pro-
prietary polymer additives. The organic components char upon
heating releasing noxious smoke from the test tube. The original
formula should be used in this experiment.
Or at least, that's what I got out of that. I'm not sure, though. To be honest, I had pretty good results with just "OxyClean Free" I got at the store, and this combo seems to work even better (less scrubbing, etc).

EDIT for spelling.
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Old 07-19-2014, 11:54 PM   #33
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You can get Sodium Metasilicate from Landmark TSP, my local True Value had it.

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Old 07-20-2014, 04:56 AM   #34
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Does this recipe rinse as well as PBW also? It's the only reason I use PBW over oxiclean. You have to rinse oxiclean a million times to clean.

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Old 07-23-2014, 04:06 PM   #35
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I have to rinse once or twice, usually. Probably because I use 1 scoop in a gallon or two swish, sponge, and rinse. More diluted, and I think a thorough rinse would be enough. Can't say for sure, though.

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Old 08-05-2014, 10:17 PM   #36
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I'm going to try this. I've got some bad ass cleaning to do. Haven't brewed since my son was born. He's 17. Left carboys uncapped for that time. I'm scraping mice off the bottom of the carboys with a broom stick. We'll put this to the test. I soaked in Oxy yesterday and everything came off but I want to do it again. Carboys have a film on the inside I'm hoping Star San takes care of.

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Old 08-06-2014, 03:15 PM   #37
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I'm going to try this. I've got some bad ass cleaning to do. Haven't brewed since my son was born. He's 17. Left carboys uncapped for that time. I'm scraping mice off the bottom of the carboys with a broom stick. We'll put this to the test. I soaked in Oxy yesterday and everything came off but I want to do it again. Carboys have a film on the inside I'm hoping Star San takes care of.
WOW! That is an impressively disgusting test you have set up. I think I'd use lye for the first soak on that situation or maybe just find some used ones on craigslist and toss those. You're a brave man, though, and I respect that. Maybe just don't tell that story to anyone you share your brew with.
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I'm going to try this. I've got some bad ass cleaning to do. Haven't brewed since my son was born. He's 17. Left carboys uncapped for that time. I'm scraping mice off the bottom of the carboys with a broom stick. We'll put this to the test. I soaked in Oxy yesterday and everything came off but I want to do it again. Carboys have a film on the inside I'm hoping Star San takes care of.
Yuk! lol

Just remember starsan isn't a cleaner its a sanitizer. If there is a film you still need to clean it.
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I've made some homemade PBW, and it was super simple to put together.

My local grocery store has its own version of Oxiclean Free (identical recipe -- no perfumes or chlorine), so I grabbed that and a 4lb bag of TSP/90.

Easy mixture of 3.5lbs Oxi-free to 1.5lbs TSP/90, mixed together thoroughly. I use it all the time, no issues whatsoever.

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