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Old 02-18-2011, 05:48 PM   #21
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I found an interesting link on the difference between trisodium phosphate and sodium metasilicate, turns out one is just an enviro safe one of the other, but both should do the same job.

That means that the green box from lowes, or the TSP/90 from ACE are the phosphate free versions of the red box that I have from lowes.

Sense I used true TSP and not sodium metasilicate, I guess either will work, the way I did it was just less good for the environment. Next time I might switch to the more enviro friendly one.


http://www.housekeepingchannel.com/h..._phosphate_TSP

For more technical information:
http://www.chemistry.co.nz/deterg_inorganic.htm

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Old 02-18-2011, 06:25 PM   #22
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Does the OP sanitize the bottles (i.e., with Star San) before using them (after using the Oxiclean)? If so, doesn't that solve the slime problem? Personally, I would not bottle a beer after just an oxiclean bath--I'd still use a separate sanitizer first.

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1) soak bottles in oxyclean to remove labels (overnight).
2) quick rinse out of bottles when removing from oxyclean, rinse off label bits, chucks of nastiness, etc.
3) submerge bottles in starsan. let sit 30 seconds. pour starsan out. immediately add beer (do not rinse or let the bottle dry out) and cap.

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Old 02-18-2011, 06:47 PM   #23
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here is how I did mine.

soak in HOT oxy/TSP solution over night.
labels just come right off.
use sponge and scrub off sticky icky residue
put is dishwasher with soap and hot steam cycle
Starsan before filling.

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Old 02-18-2011, 07:00 PM   #24
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I just started using oxiclean, so haven't tried it on bottles yet. Is an oxiclean soak, followed by a good rinse and sanitizing with a vinator and star san sufficient, or is the residue still an issue?

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Old 02-18-2011, 07:04 PM   #25
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Soaked bottles overnight in Oxy Clean & labes fell off. Then sink-top jet wash followed by ventilator with one step.

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Old 02-18-2011, 07:10 PM   #26
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I don't mean to be a bear, I've used oxi-clean on some older bottles I've recently acquired to get the gunk out of the bottle itself but never to de-label them. Do the labels pose any sort of hazard to the beer itself or is it simply an aesthetics thing?

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I don't mean to be a bear, I've used oxi-clean on some older bottles I've recently acquired to get the gunk out of the bottle itself but never to de-label them. Do the labels pose any sort of hazard to the beer itself or is it simply an aesthetics thing?
well if using your dish washer you don't want that paper coming off and clogging up your drain.

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Gotcha, ok I thoroughly hand wash so that shouldn't be a problem, thanks

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Does the OP sanitize the bottles (i.e., with Star San) before using them (after using the Oxiclean)? If so, doesn't that solve the slime problem? Personally, I would not bottle a beer after just an oxiclean bath--I'd still use a separate sanitizer first.

Steps:
1) soak bottles in oxyclean to remove labels (overnight).
2) quick rinse out of bottles when removing from oxyclean, rinse off label bits, chucks of nastiness, etc.
3) submerge bottles in starsan. let sit 30 seconds. pour starsan out. immediately add beer (do not rinse or let the bottle dry out) and cap.
Yes,I use star san,and while it does remove the film,it turns my star san cloudy as well.It's a waste of star san in my view.
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Dishwasher detergents don't contain phosphates anymore. Now, if you have hard water, calcium carbonate (limestone) will form on your glass.

Acids will get rid of this. Vinegar and starsan should get if off. I've heard of people putting lemon juice in their dishwasher. Lemmishine also works.

A household water softener will make this go away.

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