cbotrice, I just brewed my first batch in my brand new 8 gallon conical. Mine came with a stand though. It is still fermenting; am getting ready to drain trub out and let settle some more. I thought it interesting that I could get a better price on it from my HBS than I could direct from manufacturer. If you get one, get the gasket that goes around the top to make it sealed. I didn't and now I have to order one. Its about $15 extra. When I get this batch done, I'll report back.