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Old 11-19-2007, 02:48 PM   #31
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Another interesting idea from the Brutus 10 is using the MT as the fermenter. While the mash is boiling, clean out the MT, and boil with water vigorously to sanitize. That cuts down the need for a 12+ gallon fermenter, although arguably not air tight. Any one try this?

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Old 11-19-2007, 04:41 PM   #32
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Also the ASCO vavle he used will work, but was not made for gas. (I called ASCO and thats what they tell me) I still can't figure out how the burners are set up, look closely at the picks in BYO and it shows different burners.

He says he used SC8210G37 valves....

Not sure why they would say that; from their site:

http://www.ascovalve.com/Common/PDFF...ct/8210_NC.pdf

I just don't get why direct fire the mash, when the MLT is there to provide a heat source for a coil to recirculate mash from the mash tun. This maintains mash tun heat and provides a mix for equal temps in the mash tun.

Can someone tell me why direct heated mash is OK or better than a RIMS? The equipment for RIMS is all there, except the recirc coil which could double as the chiller coil....
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Old 11-19-2007, 05:24 PM   #33
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It's just a different way to do it. Not better or worse, just different. I direct fire my MLT with no problems.

If the MLT is being gently heated and constantly recirculated, then the entire mash will have very consistent temps. Pumping through a HERMS coil is basically the same except more complicated since you have to run it through a coil in another vessel.

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Old 11-19-2007, 06:58 PM   #34
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I've read a few calculations that state that doing step mashes with a RIMS/HERMS setup is difficult because the rise time is extremely long compared to a direct fired tun, but I can't find the page where I saw that now.

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Old 11-20-2007, 12:16 AM   #35
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He says he used SC8210G37 valves....

Not sure why they would say that; from their site:

http://www.ascovalve.com/Common/PDFF...ct/8210_NC.pdf

I just don't get why direct fire the mash, when the MLT is there to provide a heat source for a coil to recirculate mash from the mash tun. This maintains mash tun heat and provides a mix for equal temps in the mash tun.

Can someone tell me why direct heated mash is OK or better than a RIMS? The equipment for RIMS is all there, except the recirc coil which could double as the chiller coil....
I looked up the valve and came up with this link

http://www.ascovalve.com/Common/PDFF...uct/8210R1.pdf

Your link it says gas shutoff valve and mine shows general service solenoid valve. I'm just reporting what the guy said on the phone. Thats why I don't have one yet, there are so many different ones to choose from.
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Old 11-20-2007, 12:34 AM   #36
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First, let me address the few disgruntled… Really fellas, some may think that I gave BYO these prints to Brutus Ten. This is not the case. They were a BIG customer just like you! So I know that you are really not mad because someone else (BYO) walked into the bar and literally purchased a “round for the house” so to speak, even though you just purchased your very own beer just minutes before… Unfortunately catch 22’s don’t really work that way and that’s how these things seem to turn out. I do have a new 40 page package I am finishing, and as I always said, I’ll be sending that out to everyone that had the old package for nutton. I do not sell the prints anymore at my own choosing, although even today I received an email wanting to actually purchase them anyway on top of his BYO. At some point it is out with the old and in with the new man… That brings us to Brutus 20 which is unlike any other. I am slowly working on it. As my friends have known, my real job requires me many hours and travel lately so I haven’t had much time to put into the 20 really.

Yes… Stainless is blistering high now! I planned it that way shortly after I invented the internet. And don’t think I don’t have a hand in the hop prices either! And the ASCO valves have been going now for over a hundred batches. I also had them on Brutus 5… Not sure why ASCO says different… They are a gas valve company!

Just kidding you fellas!

Now to the burners. Though the three burners are all identical, the set-up is different. The mash and HLT are temp (LOVE) controlled while the boil kettle is un-controlled; as it should be.

If you have never used your spare pot for fermenting, once you do, you will NEVER go back to carboys!

Direct fired recirculating mash; there is no better way in my book. You have better throughput, MUCH better temp control, and MUCH less hassles to deal with. Put all the returns in the lids and you’ll wonder what took you so long! I do recommend a FULL false bottom; take the recirculation slow and easy and let the direct heat do its job.

Say, I think I will hang around this forum more often!

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Old 11-20-2007, 12:48 AM   #37
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First, let me address the few disgruntled… Really fellas, some may think that I gave BYO these prints to Brutus Ten. This is not the case. They were a BIG customer just like you! So I know that you are really not mad because someone else (BYO) walked into the bar and literally purchased a “round for the house” so to speak, even though you just purchased your very own beer just minutes before… Unfortunately catch 22’s don’t really work that way and that’s how these things seem to turn out. I do have a new 40 page package I am finishing, and as I always said, I’ll be sending that out to everyone that had the old package for nutton. I do not sell the prints anymore at my own choosing, although even today I received an email wanting to actually purchase them anyway on top of his BYO. At some point it is out with the old and in with the new man… That brings us to Brutus 20 which is unlike any other. I am slowly working on it. As my friends have known, my real job requires me many hours and travel lately so I haven’t had much time to put into the 20 really.

Yes… Stainless is blistering high now! I planned it that way shortly after I invented the internet. And don’t think I don’t have a hand in the hop prices either! And the ASCO valves have been going now for over a hundred batches. I also had them on Brutus 5… Not sure why ASCO says different… They are a gas valve company!

Just kidding you fellas!

Now to the burners. Though the three burners are all identical, the set-up is different. The mash and HLT are temp (LOVE) controlled while the boil kettle is un-controlled; as it should be.

If you have never used your spare pot for fermenting, once you do, you will NEVER go back to carboys!

Direct fired recirculating mash; there is no better way in my book. You have better throughput, MUCH better temp control, and MUCH less hassles to deal with. Put all the returns in the lids and you’ll wonder what took you so long! I do recommend a FULL false bottom; take the recirculation slow and easy and let the direct heat do its job.

Say, I think I will hang around this forum more often!

Lonnie Mac

I'm not upset I paid for the plans at all, I actually really happy with them and the pics in BYO.

I don't know why ASCO said that?? I guess they have some valves that are dedicated to gas use only and they thought that would be better, they also suggested not using 1/2, they felt a smaller size would work with gas. I called them because I found some other ones on ebay and asked if they would work too.

I mentioned the burners because in the BYO pics some look like they have pilots built into the burner ring and pics look like they don't thats all.

I meant no offense, I love your plan and as you can see I'm almost done with mine. I wish sainless wasn't so expensive, I built mine with 2" box and all the metal in it only cost me $60.

Thanks for the awesome system.
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Old 11-20-2007, 01:09 AM   #38
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First, let me address the few disgruntled… Really fellas, some may think that I gave BYO these prints to Brutus Ten. This is not the case. They were a BIG customer just like you! So I know that you are really not mad because someone else (BYO) walked into the bar and literally purchased a “round for the house” so to speak, even though you just purchased your very own beer just minutes before… Unfortunately catch 22’s don’t really work that way and that’s how these things seem to turn out. I do have a new 40 page package I am finishing, and as I always said, I’ll be sending that out to everyone that had the old package for nutton. I do not sell the prints anymore at my own choosing, although even today I received an email wanting to actually purchase them anyway on top of his BYO. At some point it is out with the old and in with the new man… That brings us to Brutus 20 which is unlike any other. I am slowly working on it. As my friends have known, my real job requires me many hours and travel lately so I haven’t had much time to put into the 20 really.

Yes… Stainless is blistering high now! I planned it that way shortly after I invented the internet. And don’t think I don’t have a hand in the hop prices either! And the ASCO valves have been going now for over a hundred batches. I also had them on Brutus 5… Not sure why ASCO says different… They are a gas valve company!

Just kidding you fellas!

Now to the burners. Though the three burners are all identical, the set-up is different. The mash and HLT are temp (LOVE) controlled while the boil kettle is un-controlled; as it should be.

If you have never used your spare pot for fermenting, once you do, you will NEVER go back to carboys!

Direct fired recirculating mash; there is no better way in my book. You have better throughput, MUCH better temp control, and MUCH less hassles to deal with. Put all the returns in the lids and you’ll wonder what took you so long! I do recommend a FULL false bottom; take the recirculation slow and easy and let the direct heat do its job.

Say, I think I will hang around this forum more often!

Lonnie Mac
Good to have you here! I've been eyeballing your Brutus 10 plans for a while, and when I finally went to go buy them, there wasn't a link anybody and I had to buy BYO instead. =)

It wouldn't look quite as shiny, but plain old steel seems like it should work just fine and dandy, and save me the $700+ I'm seeing for stainless.

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Old 11-20-2007, 01:31 AM   #39
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I'm not upset I paid for the plans at all, I actually really happy with them and the pics in BYO.

I don't know why ASCO said that?? I guess they have some valves that are dedicated to gas use only and they thought that would be better, they also suggested not using 1/2, they felt a smaller size would work with gas. I called them because I found some other ones on ebay and asked if they would work too.

I mentioned the burners because in the BYO pics some look like they have pilots built into the burner ring and pics look like they don't thats all.

I meant no offense, I love your plan and as you can see I'm almost done with mine. I wish sainless wasn't so expensive, I built mine with 2" box and all the metal in it only cost me $60.

Thanks for the awesome system.
Oh no dplin2001! No offense at all! In fact, I have been putting a dedication page together for my website for a while now. I have about 20 other Brutus 10's that others have built. I stole your picture from this website and you are included!

True about the pilots. I dont have a pilot on the kettle burner as it is not needed. The pilots I added as part of the LOVE package to the other two burneres. The Kettle truly is TOTALLY manual!

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Oh no dplin2001! No offense at all! In fact, I have been putting a dedication page together for my website for a while now. I have about 20 other Brutus 10's that others have built. I stole your picture from this website and you are included!

True about the pilots. I dont have a pilot on the kettle burner as it is not needed. The pilots I added as part of the LOVE package to the other two burneres. The Kettle truly is TOTALLY manual!


Cool, I'm almost done.

I'll update my picture tomorrow. I'm all done except for the control panel. I modified the way I was going to do the control panel. I bought all the metel from a machine shop going out of business and bought some thick aircraft aluminum for the panel. It was to tough to bend so I changed it up, to a plastic sprinkler control box that I'll velcor onto some mounts.
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