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Old 01-27-2009, 11:58 AM   #111
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Thanks for the replies guys.

If you don't mind, i'm going to keep asking questions-- I'm sold on buying the product, it seems like the way to go. The team here is so fast at answering questions I feel like I should keep taking advantage of it while I plan the rest of my brewery around this gizmo.

1) I noticed that ya'll sell probes on your website at an awesome price -- is it fair to assume that these probes are very accurate? I'm thinking I'd have one on each keggle and then one on the output of my HERMS coil -- what other ways are people choosing to place the 4 probes?


2) For those probing the outflow of the HERMS coil, what are they using to get that 4 inch probe in there? A T-Fitting?

3) For "Outputs" I'm assuming these are switches like scolenoid valves -- will any old valve work?

4) How long is the waiting list right now?

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Old 01-27-2009, 12:50 PM   #112
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I used a T fitting on mine, used it first time yesterday, works well. Mine is on the outflow of the MLT. I also have them on HLT and BK as well. I got SSRs off ebay to control my pumps really cheap (25A for $8 each). The 5v DC turns the SSR outlet on and off, I was told to get a much larger SSR than the actual load you expect to use to keep SSR heat output lower and extend the life of the SSR. Search ebay for solid state relay and you'll see lots of them. Not sure what voltage solenoid valves work with, so you may not even need a SSR for that.

BTW - I found it easy to unscrew the probe itself from the brass fitting (has a seal built in) to be the best way to get the wires out of the way for cleaning.

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What is an SSR and how do they work?

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Old 01-27-2009, 02:32 PM   #114
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Solid state relay.. Takes the 5VDC control output from the BCS and switches 120-240VAC on or off.

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Carl the human pincushion.
No worries Carl, I'll keep a controller with your name on it. Concentrate on getting better. Adam
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Old 01-27-2009, 03:01 PM   #116
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Solid state relay.. Takes the 5VDC control output from the BCS and switches 120-240VAC on or off.
To me that means:

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To me that means:

o82u3u9843fpa9j48fjapoijjh4eajfpoiejfpoiewajfoewaj foijewaoijeaoif on or off
How's about this. You wire some ethernet wire to the SSR (from the BCS) as well as the HOT side of the power. The BCS sends a signal over the ethernet wire to turn on the SSR and let the current go through.

I like metaphors, so here we go.

Let's say the current is a car driving on the street. The BCS is the controller for a Railroad crossing and the SSR is the gate at the crossing. When the gate is down, the car cannot go through. When the gate is up, the car can pass.

For all the techies, I know that this example is for NC SSRs, but it still works in layman's terms.
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How's about this. You wire some ethernet wire to the SSR (from the BCS) as well as the HOT side of the power. The BCS sends a signal over the ethernet wire to turn on the SSR and let the current go through.

I like metaphors, so here we go.

Let's say the current is a car driving on the street. The BCS is the controller for a Railroad crossing and the SSR is the gate at the crossing. When the gate is down, the car cannot go through. When the gate is up, the car can pass.

For all the techies, I know that this example is for NC SSRs, but it still works in layman's terms.
So essentially -- the BCS doesn't handle the power of some of the switches/instruments so you use an SSR as an adapter of sorts to speak between the BCS and the switches?
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4) How long is the waiting list right now?
Everyone on the waiting list has been contacted. There are now a limited number of BCS-460 controllers generally available on the website for purchase.
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So essentially -- the BCS doesn't handle the power of some of the switches/instruments so you use an SSR as an adapter of sorts to speak between the BCS and the switches?
Correct.

If you want to control burners, you'll need some sort of gas valves to turn the burners on/off. The gas valves (solenoids) that you choose will have some specified input. For example, some people use Asco valves that operate on a 120V AC input. What that means is that if you apply 120V AC to the valve, it will open. Disconnect the voltage, it will close.

The BCS-460 outputs 5VDC, which won't turn on the valve since they're not compatible. The 5VDC will control an SSR, which is just a relay or switch to turn on the valve. (nice analogy slimer )

Your typical Love switch or PID may have an onboard relay that could output the 120VAC to the valve. The BCS-460, on the other hand, was designed to drive SSRs typically for high current electric loads. But SSRs are cheap, they can be used to bridge to the valves with a little wiring effort.

You'll also probably want some type of pilot light. I know that there are some really good threads, and people on this forum with a ton of experience with gas rigs that could point you in the right direction.
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